Well, speaking from experience (NOT ON PEOPLE) , you have to have a exceedingly sharp knife to slit somethings throat really easily. And you have to really press hard and drag. That guy didn’t have the knife in position to do so.
I am rather confused though; Tikedi have all these natural weapons- teeth, clawed feet, even small claws on the ends of their fingers. Why isn’t Jahrd grabbing the guy strangling him and either clawing his face or going for his throat? its not like he’s being choked from behind, he can reach his attacker, so he has options to counter. Plus restraining a predator, ANY predator is usually a bad idea.
And in response to those who say sentience would change their instincts…. ehhhhh…. just like us Humans have the instinctual knowledge of how to crawl and eventually walk, I’d bet the Tikedi would have the same instincts regarding their natural weapons. Until evolution took those away from the Tikedi, the “Genetic memory” so to speak, would likely persist.
…I’m overthinking this a bit ain’t I?
I was trying to convey that with him being surprised, grabbed, and strangled immediately following a disastrous evening culminating in an attack on his father by their own people, which already thoroughly distracted him (not to mention everything else from the evening that was messing up his thinking), that he was too addled to quickly register what was happening to him and form a counterstrike plan for an attack he didn’t see coming. This is an even more trying situation than he faced during the tekk attack in the first chapter, since it’s everything he holds dear that’s on the chopping block and he’s just failing under the onslaught. He is going for his attacker’s face in panel one, but it’s meant to look weak and uncertain. I was trying to show that he isn’t doing a great job fighting back because he can’t think straight. This is chaos and he’s a mess.
3:54 PM: Edited for clarification! Overthinking is something I have a habit of doing, myself. x_x
Perhaps there is some small saving grace in this. Due to all the confusion, it might be easier to convince the village that their leader collapsed because he was attacked. It might not be much, but it seems to me like it might be a bit better received than admitting “Oh yes, yes he’s ill and dying or something.”
But then something confuses me here. I clearly see a knife pressed to Jacind’s throat. It looks to me had his throat cut?
I can’t see any incision, so I think it’s safe to assume the attacker was just about to slice and dice before Balta drove a spear through him.
The guy with the knife was standing in front of Jacind, while his buddy held Jacind still from behind. Balta attacks the one holding Jacind, not the one wielding the knife.
The guy with the knife is down already bottom of panel three in thr right. I think Tim’s right. Jacind’s not bleeding.
Hi, i really enjoy your comic. but sometimes its really hard for me to distinct the characters. they seem to look all the same 🙂
I’m sorry to hear that, but I’m glad you’re enjoying the story anyway. 🙂
A slight FYI that may or may not be helpful for the future.
I cannot speak for SomeFan up there, but I too sometimes have trouble telling the characters apart. In my case at least, it’s because I have face-blindness. The part of my brain that remembers and recognizes different facial features has a short circuit or something going on. The result is I would have trouble picking my own parents out of a crowd if you asked me to do such a task.
Visual media of any format or genera besides “has live people in it” is usually easier for me, because the characters have features that easily distinguish them from others. Jahrd’s white fur, or Calterra’s distinct ponytail are examples of the kinds of traits I use to identify both fictional characters and live people on sight.
So while your comic is wonderfully drawn and has a great story that I enjoy… When there are scenes where there’s a lot of people involved, or a lot of chaos, or some sort of altered lighting, or the perspective is such that it’s tricky to see the individual’s fur patterns…. That is when I have difficulty telling who’s who, and what’s going on, and who’s doing what to whom.
Interesting. I didn’t even know that was something that could happen, and it’s neat to learn about. It does help explain the phenomenon a bit.
The character designs in Prophecy of the Circle are rather set in stone by now unfortunately, what with it having been four years already. If I ever do another comic, I suppose I realize that I’d need to be a bit more dramatic with the differences between characters, but I don’t know that that would happen, considering how long this one will take me to complete.
I understand that the designs are set, and I apologize if it sounded like I was asking you to change them. I wasn’t intending to imply that at all. I can tell some of them apart based on fur patterns and their coloration, generally the ones we see most. Probably the most confusing section so far was the part set in Tieke City, for me at least. I had to read it a few times over.
It’s all right. 🙂 I just get a bit self-conscious sometimes. Sorry about that. It all comes down to me having this big complex story in my head and I want to share it as best I can, and while I’m always going to make mistakes and that’s okay, my biggest fear is that I’ll make critical mistakes and only succeed in being as clear as mud.
But no, that’s very interesting to know, and I understand better now. Again, my apologies if I kind of let my inner worry-wort out.
If I may, Meghan, what this reader has revealed about their condition may also lend something of consideration. Not just for future projects, but may still be possible to lend stand out features in other ways. I’m not going to ask you to change designs by any means, and certainly I’d rather err on the side of proceeding with what is already working. But without changing the direct characteristics of an individual, you can still use simple details – say a bit of unique clothing or something – to help them stand out in a scene to someone who struggles with facial recognition. Obviously unless they -never- change clothes that might be temporary as a solution, but otherwise people don’t change clothing all that often that it couldn’t be taken advantage of. One of the attackers is a perfect example – no one knows the finer details of the character, who he was, what his name was, beyond that he would have murdered Jacind, and was bold enough in his political opinion to intimidate Degur – but everyone in the forum seemed to quickly take to referring to him as ‘blue-shirt’ or something of the like. His clothing just stood out as stark contrast to most of the cast. Now he dies, perhaps without a name, but his shirt lives on! Is this helpful, and should it suggest any change going forward with the comic? Not necessarily, and I’d advise against it, unless doing so would not disrupt the flow of your work nor require any drastic change. But I thought it was worth saying something, whatever my two pennies are worth. If you don’t like them you can always flick them at me. 😛
…now hurry up and save Jahrd, Balta! I don’t want my little joke in the previous page to become a prophecy! D:
No, I appreciate the input, and I understand. Thanks.
What Maximum Carnage said is kind of spot on. I tend to use little distinctive things that are unlikely to change much to help identify characters when things get confusing. For drawn characters like these, if I can see their fur patterns that is sometimes all I need. But something like a belt or armband, or perhaps a hair ornament, (or scars, if applicable) for example, are the things I fall back on when there’s too much confusion. And if that fails, I just try to ask someone. XD
Yeah, I agree that it is spot on. I’m a little surprised at all of the sudden attention this issue got, and I’m glad it was brought up, but it’s been difficult to form a viable plan of action. If I’ve been a little quiet or hesitant, it’s because I’m not genuinely sure how to proceed or what to say, exactly.
I have been trying to make them identifiable since the issue came to my own attention a couple of years ago. You and a few others told me what you do look for, and that’s good and helpful in that regard, since I’ve been wondering if there were there any characters that I did well on? It’s easier to learn from what I’ve already done and grow from that, after all. It seems the main characters might be okay, and that’s good. Still… Not good enough, it seems, as well. Do I really need to give everyone the equivalent of a nametag? I’m not down on the idea, but I’m not so keen on it either. It’s a simple solution, true enough, but a rather inelegant one (if the history of rather awesome curiosity among my readers holds true, I’d have to be ready to explain the story of why every character with a particular identifying piece of clothing or mark has that mark or piece of clothing, and that’s the sort of thing that can cause ripples in the plot all on its own) and so it’s more of a patch than a real solution. I’m trying to process how to approach the situation well, or even if I’m creatively able to produce what’s being asked for. The latter gives me some anxiety.
I’ll keep telling the story regardless – I can’t stress that enough, I need to get this out of my head – but this issue’s been weighing heavily on me the more input it gets.
I’m glad you gave me some examples of what you look for already. That helps.
And, as always, I will always try my best to answer questions about who’s who when they’re asked. I want to do well and be helpful.
i totally do. And i like the way how you “solved” Degurs plot aiganst Jacnid. The crowd does not like Degur too which was a suprise for me. Whatever happens now it makes your story more enthralling.
Oh good. I’m glad to hear that was a good scene for you, and that you are indeed liking the story. Huzzah and hooray.
Man… remember when few pages back we were enjoying Degur’s hammy moustache twirling? Good times.
And now, it’s all tragic…
So, what kind of sickness is Jacind suffering from? Was it the stress that caused him to have an asphyxiation attack?
Also, probably something of a history question… how normal is this situation for Oros? Were there coups in the past? Are most peoples more like “Oh no, I can’t believe it’s happening.” or “Oh no, it’s happening again.”?
Jahrd’s the one being strangled. =P Jacind seems to have just gotten , yes, stressed out to the max and then fainted, more than anything else, and that could be a symptom of any number of problems. That’ll be tough to diagnose (and has been for Calterra).
This is definitely a very rare event. Far from normal. Much of Oros’ history has been pretty mundane, really, but Jacind and Jahrd have this habit of turning the centuries old routine of the place on its head and it finally caught up with them.
Hello! Yes, it’s-a-me, commenting again.
Glad to see Balta coming to the rescue, albeit a little late. But did he need to use such lethal force? Maybe whacking the assailants on the head may have been enough.
He really felt that he had to, honestly. He has no back-up and had no time to spend on a more complicated fight (and trying to knock three people out all by himself when he’s armed with only a spear in the middle of a riot is… pretty complicated, especially when Jahrd is quickly asphyxiating over there). It was easier to just hit them fast, hit them hard, and make absolutely certain that they’re not going to be a concern later when he has to also, probably, carry Jahrd out of the festival-gone-wrong. Possibly also Kirie unless she’s getting her wits back. And now Jacind, too, it looks like.
Plus, let’s face it, Oros doesn’t have much for a prison system. If you screw up really, really badly – especially to the point these guys did by revealing themselves as somewhat organized would-be-murderers – you die or you get exiled (and then probably die in the desert anyway). He just sped up the process.
Being careful not to seriously hurt anyone was not in his budget, unfortunately.
Oh, so they were technically under death sentence anyway.
Man, stuff got bad quick.
I’m a bit surprised that we don’t see anyone biting anyone else’s throat or arms. I guess my seeing the characters as intelligent canines primed me for that. Do they consider “dog fight” biting beneath them (they’re too civilized for that)? Or could you just not do that to your characters–those teeth just look way too sharp?
It’s a bit more of the second option than anything, if I’m going to be completely honest. I have a ton of respect for the authors and artists who can craft the really gritty, really gory stories because I’m a bit of a wuss. I kinda hope I can get there one day and I push myself in the general direction as much as I comfortably can (sometimes I even pull it off for a brief moment; I did a few times in this story already), but at this point it’s still a bit psychologically hard for me to do. The biting and tearing is still a bit too much for me.
I try to keep the intensity up by finding ways around it when I can, and I suppose there’s no better place to test my limits than in a webcomic I’m putting up for free. I get to practice and see what I can learn to do, and with an audience to keep me motivated to keep constantly producing work. Huzzah. =P
“(sometimes I even pull it off for a brief moment; I did a few times in this story already)”
The tekk hunt scene? I remember it as probably the most gory bit in the comic so far.
I’d think that tearing each others’ throats may be simply too off-putting for the tikedi themselves. Even if their teeth would be good for that, most of them probably never had to bite into something living, so it’s not something they would think of at the spot. Evolved physical aspects and sapience often don’t synergize too well (if you look at humans’ example).
We’ll just say “possibly” to the biting thing. I’m sure someone’s done it.
That was one scene where I tried pretty hard. The eye-stabbing incident and Annen’s arm actually were hardest for me, personally.
Why don’t they use their feet to attack? The leg seems muscular enough to make some serious damage. Like kangaroos or something.
Or maybe it is the thing? So the Tikedi won’t turn out so kangaroo-ish?
I just saw a spear in Balta’s hand and a knife being used against Jacind when I saw this scene in my head, really. I’m sure some do kick and punch. I just haven’t seen a scene like that in my head yet.
This looks very symbolic. Also, kind of sad. 🙁
Definitely. 🙁 Now Balta had better scramble to rescue Jahrd or we’re going to need a new protagonist on top of everything else going wrong.
Quantin Tarantino has visited you meghan? That’s going to be a real bloodshed… Is it Balta stabbing that jerk?
Though finally the illnes got the best out of Jacind.
BTW, it’s a great moment when the mask get broken.
Pfffft, as if I could hope to hold a candle to Mr. Tarantino in the blood spray department. But this is a comic book art style, so I try. ;P
And that is most definitely Balta to the rescue… …. and the world determined to go all wrong anyway.
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